| Title | : | Crackout - ICG / PCGS to NGC - Do these ICG Coins Upgrade? Do PCGS "Cleaned" Coins Straight Grade? |
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| Views | : | 11 rb |
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The 1894 looks like it got baking soda and aluminum treatment Comment from : Max VanBenschoten |
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I agree the SLQ could have been a 64 Comment from : Robert Frye |
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NGC has a little hose that puts out air I’ve seen it Comment from : Grant V |
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0:30brAny experienced dealer could tell that this coin was cleaned to the point of getting a "Details" grade It has no chance of ever being straight graded by NGC or PCGS But many unscrupulous dealers would sell it raw as Gem BU or even finer And it is easily Superb gem BU bo old mail-order standards Comment from : G MAIL |
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I have 200 years ago 1 rupay coin i am from India please help what is process for coin grading Comment from : Aditya Kumar |
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What set up do you use to shoot the close up on the coins? Comment from : Peter Sharma |
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wonder how many coins actually exist with people sending in the same coins over and over again trying to get a grade higher Destroys the real market Comment from : Bob |
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For the Eyes of the GRADER are apon You ! br Every Time your gonna pay a Fee !br When your Numismatics are before you !brThat's where the GRADE is gonna be Comment from : Harold McLean |
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I'm not a copper expert but I didn't see any cleaning and looks high end of 64 pretty undergraded but huge upgrade Comment from : tom_morgandealer _pgh |
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copper gets killed by NGC and PCGS Comment from : John Wachter |
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Like the content in your video Comment from : Davey Breeden |
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I have a 1884 s morgan that i got in an ICG holder that was a 58 I broke it out and now I am wishing I wouldnt have Im afraid to send it to either PCGS or NGC UGH!!!! I should have just left it!! Comment from : Andrew Jackson |
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The first coin is cleaned, even polished and got retoned with time Comment from : Eyes of the World |
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Êtes vous à niveau Comment from : Bellisa Jadam |
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I’ve always thought lady Liberty on that coin is very lovely A very natural, matronly woman Comment from : None None |
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That Morgan looks cleaned to me Ben Comment from : flower2289 |
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You lost the + on the merc and very lucky with the large cent most likely was dipped and artificially toned Those spots on the neck most likely from different metals in the copper alloy reacting when being dipped The slq is a beauty!!! Comment from : Carl Frank |
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ICG's label sucks Looks like it made in PowerPoint They should redesign the label and slab to look more professional Unfortunately that stuff matters Take design cues from NGC Comment from : Bill Wall |
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Ben, MS 62 on the large cent was a compromise grade One or two of the graders didn't like something about the coin Instead of a details grade like PCGS, they gave it a low mint state grade Happens all the time Quarter only a 63 mainly due to lack of full luster PNG dealer Comment from : Barbs Best |
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The large cent neck might be other metal in copper They could not refine metal that well in 1800s like today So u get imperfections on surface Comment from : Vasilios Kosman |
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New subscriber very informative 👌 Comment from : SilverandMore |
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1853 Braided hair looks questionable color Comment from : Federico Sanchez |
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The surface on the merc looks granular in sectionsthe toning makes it appear that way? of course, though, I'm seeing it on a Samsung tablet Comment from : sidney osborne |
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Great video! It kind of proves that ICG grades coins as well as NGC to be honest Comment from : B H |
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The artificial grading people are the same people giving their/our rights away!!! Comment from : Sail OriaFish*Dive*Thrive |
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that dime? you be happy with 65 Comment from : martin |
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I believe at least 80 percent of coins before 1945 have been cleaned at one time or another! Just my opinion Comment from : Allan Colegrove |
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I can understand, in thinking a mistake was made in grading, but looking back the information I got when enrolling with NGC, I found in the information on NGC Numeric Grades list, that the definition of MS/PF 70 where it says, "A coin with no post-production imperfections at 5X magnification So my question is a what magnification does NGC actually use? 5X or 10X or 20X or higher? In the actual grading of a coin cause is seems to me, that the actual grading has to be done at a magnification higher than 5X to determine the issues or lack of issues of the coin in question Comment from : Rusty Bracewell |
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I love standing liberty quarters especially the variety one I have a complete set of them which probably grade fine to AU When I win the lottery I am going to assemble a complete set of SLQs at MS 65 full head or better Comment from : Edward Slizewski |
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PCGS: CleanedbrNGC: CleanedbrBen: There's no consistency here Comment from : George Dorn |
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This makes me feel much better about the ICG coins I still own Possibly some of them were actually graded accurately 👍 Comment from : Tylonn Platinum 3rd Coins |
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"Genuine" "Cleaned" therefore "Not Gradable" Why not "Genuine Cleaned" but " GC" vf 45"?? (for example)brIn my view, I see so many beautiful coins RUINED by that word CLEANED To which I say, "So What"?? (especially when the human eye cannot detect the cleaning) Leads me to believe that a large part of the start of the grading process is to see "Who wants it graded??" Comment from : robert preston sr |
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Nice With the exception of the last coin upgrade (congrats!), the others stayed the same grade/designation I would say that is pretty consistent grading across all three companies (this time) Cheers! Comment from : Don |
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Good Comment from : Mansuri Nasir Husen |
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Nice to see a Braided Hair large cent make an appearance I see the SLQ and mercury dime as upgrades since you got them out of the ICG holders and NGC gave them basically the same grade The Morgan does look cleaned to me Comment from : Michael C |
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I love the crackout videos They're such neat learning lessons Thank you Comment from : lpandy21 |
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I think the 62 was way too low on the Largie, which was the most egregious, followed closely by the SLQ The others I thought were spot on The was thinking the “cleaned” Morgan did look it was cleaned It maybe didn’t leave any cleaned lines on the surface, but there was definitely something amiss with the surface luster Comment from : alwaysseekingsilver |
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that 1853 at the end ,i thought was cleaned ,good jop Comment from : Tim Lange |
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BEN! Did you read my comment from your last video? Comment from : Evenrude Ranger |
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Nice vid! The 1930 Standing Liberty Quarter, in my opinion, just makes FH; the grade of MS63 also fair because the "rivets" on the shield are not fully struck up Be well! Ed Comment from : Edward Lee |
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My (useless) opinionbr- The 1894 looks more "over dipped" than cleanedbr- You probably lost a point on the SLQ because even tho it meets the criteria for FH (three leaves, etc) it's kind of flatly struckbr- You got shafted on the Large Cent As others have said here that's a Friday at 5 PM coin I wish the TPGs would somehow tell you the reasoning for their grades Comment from : Louis Sica |
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HI BEN GOOD CRACK-OUT RESULTS The Standing Liberty does seem to have some flatness on some of the head detail Nice that it came back FH The large cent looks much better than a 62, but what the heck do I know One thing I know is it has great eye appeal Overall, you did pretty well with that batchbrbTYU/b Comment from : Donald in New Mexico |
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Thats a very nice large cent Comment from : Jose Figueroa |
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I have a MS 64 FH 1930 quarter in a PCGS holder that really doesn't look any different than that one other than a touch of toning I love the dime and while I don't have a lot of large cents that one is quite attractive That crack out went pretty well over all Thanks for sharing Comment from : QuickSilver |
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You got screwed on that gorgeous SLQ Comment from : typeviic1 |
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NIce coins The Standing Liberty quarter looks like a 64 That Mercury dime is awesome I like that large cent as well 62 does seems a grade low for that Comment from : Ontario100 |
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Nice 1c, definitely looks better than 62 Comment from : Koin Kollector |
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The 1930 quarter is one looking beauty man! $300 while spent Comment from : @silver_anything |
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love the large cent! Comment from : Roger Mueller |
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You were ripped off on the 1853 and the Standing Lib Some of these coin grades I see make no sense Comment from : Frank Chase |
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The can of air thing got me laughing and I though I would share a story I am kitchen manager and back in the day to have fun with the new servers We used to ask them very excitedly "Sue, I NEED YOU TO GO GET ME A CAN OF AIR REALLY FAST IN DRY STORAGE!!! RUN!!!" They would come back 10 min later only because another server felt bad and told them what was going on! It was mean but also very funny!! Not just for me but the server as well Comment from : Corey Nagle |
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Some great looking coins Thanks for giving us a peek at them Comment from : Steve Dietrich |
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I feel like on details coins there should be a 1-10 number system to tell how much it's been cleaned Comment from : Jack Stehlik |
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Ben the Crack Out King didn't do to well this time out IMO Tough game to play and d Comment from : Robert Lung |
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3:30 There are different levels of FH SLQs (which aren't reflected on the holder: they are either labeled FH or not) There is considerable flatness on the head and the shield, though the coin is middle-of-the-road for an FH There are FH coins which show a lot more detail than that in the head Full-full head coins are rare and command a large premium, IF you can find one for sale Coins like that tend to stay impounded in major collections Comment from : jeffw1267 |
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Ben, you are making excuses for inconsistent grading and attempting to justify these grading companies while disregarding or diminishing the use of artificial intelligence Comment from : Paul Begansky |
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Thx great 👍 video, the 63 should had been a 64 bummer on the Morgan I have a 1925 D gold indian I want to crack out for that same reason but have been told by 2 lcs's that I shouldn't thx again for a great 👍 video Comment from : Lewis Overfield |
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Congrats on the crack outs You did good Thanks for sharing with the Coin community Comment from : Scott Cahala |
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I agree on the quarter Should be 64 I disagree on the 50/50 morgan I think it is more like 80/20, favor to the cleaned side Nice braided hair Comment from : MVPCustomCues |
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With the shininess combined with the wear on the 1894, my gut says cleaned Comment from : James Goss |
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I am very happy I found this channel Comment from : Anthony Frisone |
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Love these videos Quite enjoy them Comment from : Break It! |
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