Title | : | Hybrid vs Electric Car: Which Is REALLY Cheaper? |
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As some of you have spotted, the cost for charging an EV for 10,000 miles at the 3242ppkwh rate should be £1,134 not £1,296 The VAT rate for domestic electricity is charged at 5 -Rory Comment from : AutoTrader |
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Can’t believe most of the data he is using Wrong car comparisons and wrong data I am paying 75p per kWh including VAT Comment from : Sanjiv Patel |
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Would be interesting to concern maintenance cost Comment from : McDonut |
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Dear Roryyou complicates life, you have not added by explaining, the mining of the ingredient needed to make the battery, lithium, cobalt,the pollution,the exploitation, the land grab expropriation, the human sufferings, caused😢😢😢 Comment from : hammy lauw |
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This is exactly why in the end i dropped the idea of buying an EV I would only use public charging I opted for a Hybrid this year instead Comment from : M T |
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Fook MPGbrBe civil and use L/100km, innit!? Comment from : Sebastian Rosca |
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I have an Audi Q4 e-Tron 50 which I drive in town 95 of the time which averages around 3-4 miles/kWh in town I'm on Intelligent Octopus EV tariff which costs 75p inc VAT / kWh and can charge at home, the cost to charge for 10,000 miles is around £214, but agree the upfront cost and insurance is much more expensive for an EV Comment from : PF |
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Very off topic I know, but what jacket are you wearing in this video Rory? Comment from : Craig Baldwin |
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Well, you can also have better number for EVs if you handle them at low speeds, I have a 2023 Nissan Leaf and on average I get 45 KWh per mile and even got a maximum of 6 KWh per mile, really love your videos Cheers from Floridabr❤ Comment from : Omar Villasana |
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I have a Toyota hybrid and I love it, I never thought I would get one but I love the file economy and the extra power the electric motor gives me I can honestly say all my cars moving on will be full hybrids Comment from : Andrew Mitcheson |
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My rav4 phev average around 150mpg Comment from : Goran Jurkovic |
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It cannot compare to Toyota hybrids I could achieve more than 80mpg in an old Lexus ct200h from 2011 Comment from : Goran Jurkovic |
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In Australia the Toyota Hybrids are popular and most of the Taxis are Toyota Hybrids as for plug in hybrids there are a couple sround anf full electric cars are lesser in Australia the hybrid are more numerous than EVs also from a that Honda Hybrid 80 mpg excellent fuel economy no wonder the Taxi drivers like hybrids a lot better than our Suzuki Beleno GLX straight petrol car at 40mpg around town and 50mpg on the highway Comment from : Les Klower |
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The absolute cheapest option for me is to buy a used diesel brbrEven with high road tax and even with high maintenance cost the price of the car is so low that hybrid and ev can't compete Comment from : Martin Kirk |
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Well balanced argument and spot on Comment from : Simon Parker |
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EV way cheaper when you account for service Oil changes alone push it above EV charging Once you add brakes, timing chain, etc you're looking at a lot higher operational cost Comment from : Myles |
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Think you will loose hair when the battery runs out of life and you have to buy another one It's like they are expensive More than the aged cat at that time Comment from : Bellini |
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Since you are operating with pounds AND based on your accent, I assume you are in GB so you most likely deal with GB-made car, and that's the BIGGEST red flag - no sane person would ever buy a car made in GB, the source of some of the worst vehicles Think jag and rover Moreover, 30+ years ago, there was "British Sterling", an exact copy of Acura Legend but built in GB The darn thing managed to stay on the road minutes between breakdowns Comment from : Woland |
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If the govt pushed hybrids like they pushed evs i wouldn't be surprised if there would be hybrids pushing 80-100 mpgs like clockwork Charging/ battery/ engines would be refined and wouldn't have to worry about finding a charging station on long road trips California wants to go full ev by 2035 and our grid can't contain the demand now lol with rolling blackouts imagine everyone charging their car It's impracticable Comment from : B16A2EGCOUPE |
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80 mpg sounds too good to be true Im guessing it has to do with imperial vs American gallon? Comment from : AS |
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Please don't do the math and disturb the Tesla cult! Let them think they save the Planet or things like thisI have a lot of Tesla shares and I need to make money so I can buy a Honda eHEV Comment from : calin com |
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Hybrid alway better convenience Comment from : Andy |
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I'm not so sure, a diesel will get the same Comment from : Salty Dog |
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Seems Honda may have trumped the 20 litre Toyota Corolla Comment from : Simon Bell |
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Don't forget the cost of DEPRECIATION and REPAIR or BATTERY replacement after 8y/warranty expired Most regular hybrid cost less than £3000, but plugin C class is easily $12 000 or more and $26 000 on the BEV Benz I know that TOYOTA HSD has 15 years/unlimited BATTERY Warranty Comment from : rondhole |
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I feel very sad that saving a few bucks is more important than saving our childrens future Comment from : Richy Foster |
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When considering the cost of a car, it's crucial to look beyond just the annual price Why not compare a car that offers hybrid, plugin-hybrid, and electric options over a 4-year period with standard PCP and 10,000 miles? For example, if you compare a Kia Niro petrol hybrid priced at £28000 to the plugin-hybrid at £33000 and electric at £36000, it's essential to note that you may not save £8000 in the 4-year period if you choose the petrol option over electric It's important to make an informed decision based on each option's long-term costs and benefits Comment from : Maki Banassios |
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Rory mentions purchase price but not sale price Does anyone know of a calculator (eg spreadsheet) where you can enter ALL figures for a real cost of each vehicle and scenarios to enable a real best guess personalised comparison? Comment from : Ken D |
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2023 Honda Civic hybrid or Toyota Prius are the cars of the year for ordinary people or taxies But because of insane dealer mark up, I hope I can get one of them next year at MSRP Comment from : Jesse Griffin |
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The best solution is the one that does the most with as little resources as possiblebrbr90 of car owners on this planet do not have the infrastructure or the budget to develop an infrastructure for EVs Neither do they have the technical capability or talent to service EVsbrbrHybrids are the way to go, they require no infrastructure and can be easily used in any setting or environmentbrbrToyota and other Japanese hybrids have proven to be solid and super reliable and are used in so many developing nations for well over a decade now Comment from : Rog V |
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Autortrader: Everything you you saidbrHydrogen: Hold my beer Comment from : GMTime |
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I can say, for my experience, a Toyota Corolla runs 500 km with 25 l of gas (5 l/100 km) at 120 km/hour of speed Comment from : Mac Mad |
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for a PHEV running in hybrid mode, whats the max range where you get great fuel economy before the battery runs out? No one seems to quote this, it would be useful to know Comment from : WhiskyJackR |
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I'd buy a hybrid civic anyday Comment from : Eduardo Rodriguez |
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I’m on Intelligent Octopus and pay 75p per KWh Comment from : Buck Richard |
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Forgotten, is that hybrids MUST run on only one fuel EVs will run on energy created from coal, gas, wind, solar or hydro; whatever is the cheapest at the time which is why long term, hybrids must be phased out Only a stop gap and some a good stop gap BUT the earliest adopter country is showing the future since 80 new cars are full EVs with 10 hybrids because they see the future As efficient as the Honda is, it WILL produce 30,000 lb of CO2 and 1000 lb of toxins dumped into the air we all must breath; the cost of that exceeds the cost of the Hybrid so taking the narrow view, maybe works for individuals but NOT for all of us brbrWhile people rail at Lithium mining, it can be recycled for centuries where Fossil Fuel is burned once Cannot change that no matter how renewable our grid gets brbrWhile Hondas are low maintence, they’re nowhere as good as nearly NO maintenance of EVs I expect my brakes to last 1M km which cannot never occur on a hybrid Comment from : Colin Genge |
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new viewer Love seeing Rory again, haven't seen you since Top Gear Comment from : Cappy Larou |
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Thirty six years of driving the EV to offset the initial 10 k extra cost of purchasebrNone of the EV fans are good at maths so they keep touting how they are saving on Gas !! Comment from : FutbolPro101 |
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Hello Comment from : Najam us Saqib Minhas |
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I cancelled my purchase of 2 different types of EVs over the last 18 monthsPurchased the Honda civic ehev advance What a great movebrFuel economy brilliant, and on longer journeys don't have to worry about that charging hassleiewill there be a queue and will the charger work😮 Let's be realistic, who wants to hang around a service station for 45 mins every 300kms, get real Honda gives me 800kms and 5 mins to refill It's a no brainer Comment from : Jim Bradshaw |
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Loved this comparison! One other quite important factor to consider is the availability of cheaper used hybrids, like the 2008 Prius amd 2012 Prius V that my wife and I have We bought the 2008 Prius for $11,000 Canadian dollars back in 2014, and the 2012 Prius V in 2016 for $15,000 Canadian Both are still running beautifully, with only expected wear items like tires and brake pads needing replacement, and of course, I had to find the only body shop in the Ottawa area that actually cuts out rust and welds in new metal to do a patch on each of them, but even so, the cost for this was only $650 Canadian for a spot on the 2012 Prius V's left rear wheel well, and $460 for a spot on the 2008 Prius' door well, but the rust repairs are probably more of a Canadian issue, with all the salt they have to put on our roads Cheers! Comment from : anubis44 |
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madness Comment from : youtubeab |
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How much do you value the waiting time and attention effort you have to put in plug-in and EV daily use to get to their best use case? Comment from : Francesco Varrato |
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Can't order one though, try again in 2024 said the dealer Comment from : EXSKIN |
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We've got a Honda Crosstar eHEV and a Seat Mii EV The Seat is cheaper to run but they are both quite frugal on costs, the Honda has the advantage of over 500 miles range on a tank of petrol so we tend to use that for longer trips The UK government have said they are going to reduce taxes on electricity and increase tax on fossil fuels so the EV option will be significantly cheaper in future and the hybrids will probably disappear once EV's start to have ranges above 400 miles so that public charging will not normally be necessary for owners with a driveway Comment from : Bristol View |
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3 miles per kw/h thats terrible efficiency I understand that the car is heavy and so on but how can Mercedes have so great engineers and be so rich but be so bad at their only job Comment from : Obikuba |
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Nice work on the math but it should be emphasized that you've chosen to compare the energy cost of an extremely efficient example of a Hybrid to the energy cost of a not very efficient example of an EV How about comparing the Honda to a lower cost, more efficient EV like the Tesla Model 3? It's a more enjoyable driving car than the Honda and well more efficient than the Benz Comment from : JackF |
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Intelligent octopus is now 75p/ KWH … so a bit less than half of the full electric price calculated here … Comment from : Sameer Prakash |
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I work for an OEM and had the opportunity to borrow many different electric cars to test over an extended amount of time If you can't charge at home, it's not even worth considering an EV They're not cheaper than an efficient gas car when charged publicly and you waste so much time finding and waiting for a public charging station Also, not all electric cars are equal When I borrowed the eTron, a horribly inefficient EV with half the efficiency of a Tesla Model 3, I spent $28 to charge 80 miles at a public fast charger (66 cents/KWh) That's around 25 times the cost for me to drive my non-hybrid Civic for the same amount of miles Ridiculous! If things don't change, way fewer people will be able to afford to drive in the future, which I think might be the real intention behind the EV push Comment from : Ben Go |
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i would love to drive this hoping the pricing is reasonable Comment from : Jayy |
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For someone like forced to live in a Country like Germany until I have my bachelor I have to live with my overly expensive electricity prices Other countries are building more atomic reactors for power sufficiency and low cost energy whilst Germany is literally getting rid of their Energy altogether and getting dependant on imported Energy that is highly overpriced In other words even if this car only does 40mpg like some diesel do on the high way heck electricity is still more expensive I am driving cheaper right now with a Diesel than some Model 3 Comment from : SeikoFPS |
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Why comparing a Mercedes to Honda? Seriously the price tag of both cars are different It means different market Comment from : Delbert Baron Lee |
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Spend extra $ to buy a plug-in but do not plug-in to charge? That would be peak stupidity Comment from : kbm blizz |
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I’m much better comparison would be the model 3 SR+ Same price to buy, 4m per kWh is EASILY achievable and on Octopus Go’s current 9p rate would be MUCH cheaper Also slightly staggered that you think that “just” a 20 saving isn’t worth considering On the above date it would be well over 40 cheaper to go BEV if you have a drive Comment from : Paul Bee |
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bSan Diego, California enters the chat/b Comment from : AllDayErDay |
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I have been waiting for a video like this for AGES It confirmed everything I thought and electric is not the future given the economy we now find ourselves in Comment from : Luke Evans |
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Consider the waiting time while charging an EV I saw people waiting hrs just doing nothing lol hybrid people will be home resting while EV, still be at charging station Comment from : Mahesh Narang |
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I’ve driven this car and it is spectacularly easy to drive, I couldn’t get it to do anything like one-pedal regen but maybe I just didn’t know how 🤷🏼♂️ it was a test drive I was surprised that despite the quoted 184bhp, it felt noticeably less powerful than my older 10th-gen Civic Comment from : Ianmundo |
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Great content! brbrBased on my experiences with Prius, Volt, and Bolt EV, one thing worthy of more discussion is how weather and road speeds can really affect hybrid, PHEV, and BEV efficiency For example, on beautiful 50F day driving on minor country roads, I can easily get 5 miles per kilowatt hour In summer heat or freezing cold, a Bolt EV is much less efficient I try to use the heated seats and steering wheel to avoid using the heater In the summer the AC can really hurt efficiency Also 65+ MPH can affect things My 2009 Prius averaged 52mpg most months, but was as bad as 42mpg during the coldest months Comment from : Peter Madany |
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Math is the enemy of all the politicians Comment from : Badscrew |
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That is why I'm driving self charging hybrid from Toyota, for now most economical in my opinion are that type of cars Comment from : Patryk C |
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The proposed new Toyota hybrid car in the pipeline, is coming with a 124 mile electric only range, with an associated petrol engine A sensible hybrid, with a very useful electric electric range, completely eliminating range anxiety This is the perfect solution and I think Toyota will have cracked it ! Comment from : Steve Zodiac |
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The choice of EV should not be driven by cost only When you go for EV, you decide to go for the transition towards renewables, this is a much more important reason if you are convinced that we are destroying every day our planet when we burn fossil fuels And if you think this way, you become ready to even spend more for an EV than for an ICE car This is my personal motivation Comment from : Francis de Briey |
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mg4 is way cheaper than a tesla drives good and you get most important staff for cheaper than the honda more cheaper EVs will enter the market soon mg4 is just the beginning Comment from : EarnWhileUCan |
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Rica etsem altyazı seçeneklerine Türkçe dil seçeneği ekleyebilir misiniz? Sizi anlamak ve takip etmek istiyorum Comment from : Yahya YARIM |
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in my country shopping malls offer free AC charging and zero tax on EV cars that means Model 3 Performance is cheaper than a Toyota Camry i don't see reason to buy ICE lol at least in my country Comment from : natehanying54 |
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Funny choosing probably the most economic plugin and pit it against a large Mercedez sedan that does, from their website, a combined WLTP power consumption: 239-215 kWh/100 km At the speeds you were saying you did the test with the Honda if you had gone with something like a Kia Niro, Nissan Leaf or even a Model 3 that average would have been below 15kwh/100kms, basically cutting down the total cost by 30/35 from £562 to £390 Even tough £150/year is not that relevant the total value makes it less than 40 the cost of the most efficient pluginbrDo it apples to apples or people without more knowledge will be misleadbrbrBut you were able to make a different point, even tough indirectly: if you don't have a home charger don't buy an EV, that is the current state of it Simple Comment from : Hermínio Mira |
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If you are not comparing TCO, ie lifetime cost per mile/km, you are comparing apples to oranges and that makes your report biased Comment from : BlackhawkPilot |
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Every astute car fan knows that car companies like Honda make $$$ in regular service fees EVs automatically win No oil changes, no timing belts, etc The Japanese are hysterically avoiding EVs due to their profit model Comment from : frozenrobert |
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The quoted 3miles per kWhr for EVs is a bit on the low side My personal EV is a Kia Soul, which averages 42 miles per kWhr Tesla's also have similar economy Some EVs are more economic than others but comparing the most economic hybrid with the performance of the stated "average" for EVs is basically biasing the results to fit the narrative IMO Comment from : David Costello |
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Tell that to @FullyCharge channel 🙄 They act like everyone can afford EVs and have infrastructure Completely happy with my Toyota Prius C Comment from : Oshakie Gittens |
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I had a Vauxhall Corsa-e Now I own a Honda Jazz Crosstar HEV After 6 months of Honda Jazz I`m verry happybrPS: Honda Jazz - in real life for me - 70mpg Comment from : Adi |
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Thanks for that deep analysis for a variety of use cases! It was very enlightening Comment from : Rey Arqueza |
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I like that this video was done during an energy crisis If he did this video a year ago the EV would be a no brainer Also comparing the honda to a Tesla on price in no comparison He should have compared it to a mg4 or a id3 Comment from : Karim Benallal |
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My plug-in hyprid called a Toyota Prime can get 90 mpg! However, I don't want to drag my butt on the road, so I still get 60 mpg Comment from : John Cipolletti |
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I took a picture yesterday in my PHEV because I managed to go 100km at 05L/100km with the way my day worked out That's 470 US MPG Those outlandish figures are possible in the real world My average overall usage that I haven't reset since I got it (at 32K KM now) is 17L/100km (138 USMPG) As a gas mitigation vehicle they are a pretty fantastic technology Comment from : David Williams |
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Comparison of EQS and Civic is unfair Compare civic with TM3 SR+ , than you compare olny petrol and electricity Hybrid and plug in hybrids needs oil change, engine filter change ext In EV like leaf, Tesla , ioniq you don't needed this cost And finally if you living in house , you can produce own electricity from solar during spring to autumn Overall all investment on this setup is best deal Comment from : Michał Chojnowski |
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An interesting review but a bit 'apples and oranges' when comparing the Civic with the Merc I've owned an e-Niro (Kia) for over 4 years now and my winter/summer average is 42 miles/kWhI believe the Tesla M3, a comparable car to the Civic is at least as good as the Kia in term of efficiency A mix of local and long journeys in the Civic is more likely to result in mpg of 50-60 as on long journeys the engine is working harder The Kia Niro Hybrid, which I also test drove in 2018 when choosing the e-Niro gets around 50-55 mpg but was €8,000 cheaper (I live in France)but more like €6,000 cheaper if I 'specced up' the hybrid to have all the features of the e-Niro Ok, I have solar panels on my roof and covered off all my 19,500 km of driving last year with the 2,600 kWh produced from them, which would have cost me around €1,800 with the hybrid but being able to fuel up at home is an option no HEV owner has I spent €235 last year on pubic charging and if I hadn't had the panels would have spent an additional €300 or so on my electricity billWe pay €016/kWh including taxes Conclusion?If you really want low running costs and want some control over your spending on 'fuel', an EV is the only option Comment from : Kia e-Niro Diaries Encore |
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Honda is great but their cars are so ugly Comment from : iMikez |
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Cracking story, Rory and you validate all of us who don't succumb to the current EV model of costs/environment story, especially for Chinese EVs which are manufactured using coal-fired electricity and all LIons use dodgy lithium mining techniques Great stuff, more like this, please I like doing the sums to get the point across, it is the only way to convince some of the reality of EV ownership Thanks for not mentioning the 0-60 time or how fast the Honda is, that is not what 95 of driving in the UK is about these days Comment from : Megapangolin |
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