We need to talk about irony.

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Great stuff, and thanks a lot for the shout-out! I have a feeling the most difficult part for most people is that what has now “stuck” as Meta-Irony (ambiguous irony that means nothing) is identical to what Wikipedia has in its woeful entry for “Post-Irony” (ambiguous irony that means nothing, as defined in E Unibus Pluram by David Foster Wallace)brbrPerhaps if there’s a term that needs changed, Internet “Post-Irony” (the return to sincerity, NOT actually ambiguous at all in Internet-talk) would be most valuable to clarify
Comment from : TimmyM

I learnt everything I know about irony from Alanis Morissette
Comment from : 1toneboy

i feelike idubbz understanding of post or metairony is kinda surface level and only touches on like linguistic/verbal post/meta-irony whereas I propose (maybe not a full thought) what I call ideological post/metairony which is basically just hegel's dialectic model with maybe a few more steps and using subversions to bring new meaning/ a fuller understanding to the original sincere topic
Comment from : dwarfing orbit

Eye cancer! Thank you, Papa! XoX
Comment from : aAáÁAA

Would the "This is not a pipe" painting, be Post-irony or meta irony?
Comment from : Havesh

what about socratic meta post irony
Comment from : Zac Harry Klugman

did i just get tricked into taking a philosophy class when trying to look up the album meta meta by post post
Comment from : dopamine

yea im kms
Comment from : Fishstix

Trans-irony isn't real irony! It isn't irony at all!
Comment from : Living Ritual

Think it dream it do it!
Comment from : COOKIE!

David Foster Wallace talked about post-irony with the meaning you are using
Comment from : Clima Gabriel

metamodernism now plz
Comment from : zac wendroff

I think the biggest takeaway from all of this jargon I didn't watch is who the fuck cares just laugh if thing funny cry if ofend
Comment from : dougiefreshh001

The fact that Idubbbz got gaslit the entire time by sam and his crew only makes this video even better
Comment from : Ayatha Dos

the core problem of idubbs explaining his frustration with Sam is the fact that he is in fact trying to explain it the audience was suppose to figure it out not have it explained
Comment from : Eddie

jregbrjregbrjregbrbrusing practical knowledge as it turns up in phenomenology as a way of tempering the 'WAT LEVEL OF IRONY IS DIS' clusterf*ck
Comment from : Ibn Ghafoul

Calling Sam Hyde a political extremist is really funny, yes, Irony is really hard to understand But People are not, Sam Hyde is a person not a mythological creation of the Dark Maga Warlocks to bring judgment to the world Just watch Fishtank and see how much respect and care he has for the two finalists, he is a political extremist in the sense that he is telling you politicians do not like you and want the worst outcome for you This is not extreme, this is a fact that the political extremes of the left and right have agreed on for centuries
Comment from : Ryan Rusch

"Very funny in 2016," Welcome to the modern era baby, JASON GOLDSTRIKER IS BACK IN BUISNESS!
Comment from : Ryan Rusch

14 of the population
Comment from : Kek Me

Thanks! Our wife helped a lot with that video!
Comment from : Kek Me

14:56 I believe you're misinterpreting his point here The simple fact that someone made a statement, iat all,/i carries meaning His claim "People don't tend to do things for no reason" is true, as the sheer act of bringing something up in the first place informs listeners of the speaker's motives to some degree WHY somebody did something is usually a question with an answerbrbrEverybody's made the educated guess Tarantino is into feet given the abnormal focus in his movies given to them Going "But that's not NECESSARILY the case" is kinda just playing dumb about human behavior In practice, people don't just bring things up out of the blue purposelessly; their actions give glimpses of their beliefsbrbrWhen you said "Billionaires won't need to pay any taxes after we guillotine them," idk what level of irony that's on, but I know you probably didn't say it for no reason You might even pull the very "I'm just joking bro (wink)" irony shield idubbz is referencing, and that you yourself speak against at 16:22, 19:32, and 21:14
Comment from : White Mage

ians eyes are too close together
Comment from : areyoutheregoditsmedave

Frankjavcee coined ironic submasks years before you, what?
Comment from : Mr W

This was the like one part of idubbz video that I didnt like Did not realize he kind of just ripped it off of you Makes a lot more sense why Ian's explanation didn't make much sense
Comment from : Flea1301

Who do you think you are? You have no connection to the birth of the description of these ideas You are not the coiner of those ideas Get off the high horse
Comment from : eyesbluelying

i think it should just ultimately boil down to funny is funny, this level and system shit people toss into it just makes it all fucked up and boring if someone explained "the rules" of their joke, id expect them to be the kind of melvin to explain the joke before even telling it you can pick out what kind of jokes are what but please dont "uhmm akchtually" me about it sperg out, over
Comment from : Evan Sutcliffe

A spiral model would be better than a circle It would demonstrate both the similarities between concepts and that they need to build upon themselves, this allows for room for more and more layers without having a muddled graph
Comment from : Morgan

Does this nigga really think he coined irony lmfao, congrats you managed to be more cringe than icuckz
Comment from : lilruse

Three layers? Rokie
Comment from : Hugo

wtf does alt right mean at this point?
Comment from : zeonlink66

All of these terms hurt my brain
Comment from : PoobLord

Congratulations, you unwittingly (?) cast a spell, and it worked (??)brbrEdit: Btw, I thoroughly enjoyed this
Comment from : Bob Hopeless

Damn man ive been following you for years but only now i really fucking get it Refreshing i think this channel has some of the best and definitely the most experimental comedy ive seen youre fucking sick man
Comment from : Shane

I prefer pseudo, quasi, or semi for irony prefix
Comment from : adCaptandum Vulgus

This segment he did felt like his way of describing why he doesn't like Sam It felt very insincere
Comment from : The Milkman

What the fuck is metapostirony
Comment from : Just Some Clips

I love Sam Hyde because he is simply heroic Giving the Irish hope in times of need and defending the air from threats from a tyrannical government are just the few amazing things he's done Sahmuhl Hydeek is the greatest hero the world has ever seen, and seeing him get so much hate and getting him into controversy is sickeningbrbrHydler Youth, RISE UP
Comment from : SpookMunkey

Man i remeber when Sam hyde rented out my friend group's hang out
Comment from : King Of The Fleetians

The line about white replacement would be post-irony, not meta-irony br brSam to me is not a racist He's an edgy reactionary, like racist humor because it makes so many people uncomfortable, is willing to notice patterns among races, but he's not racist, (at least not more than most) br brThe line to me is so poorly delivered, so awkwardly written, like it was taken off of an image on /pol/, that I don't think it was what Sam genuinely believes Sam, while a reactionary, right-wing, etc, never has really said something politically extreme, and you would have to be extreme, nuts even to believe white replacement theory, which goes beyond just thinking certain races are bad for whites br brI think the line was simultaneously a shoutout to people familiar with the line, a shoutout to people who believe the line, (honestly relatively many in his audience would believe that), and actually mocking this idea, since it's so ridiculous
Comment from : Herb Sewell

This analysis is 2autistic4me, but I appreciate dabbing on iDubbz SHIT explanation, autistic for sure, but crap Anyone who found that explanation convincing is an idiot
Comment from : Herb Sewell

Irony is very much associated with postmodern art/literature/culture Great video man Have you read Baudrillard? Have you read this comment? Hello? Is anybody out there?
Comment from : Luke Connors

There's only 2 ironiesbrFunny and not funny
Comment from : Alex Oct

You didn't coin anything lmao What a cornball
Comment from : Erik Foreman

Why is this guy talking acting like he invented talking about irony?? You didnt "coin" anything Chill
Comment from : ONTOLOGICAL_CLIPS

still relevant btw, we need an update!
Comment from : Might83Mp3

This is all really gay When Sam Hyde says something racist, it’s not funny because it’s some veiled 4d commentary, it’s funny because it’s racist It’s speaking outrageously about taboos, which has a deeper truth to them if you actually consider what he’s saying for a second It’s funny because you’re not supposed to say it, and it’s meaningful when you consider why that is Look at my username What level of irony is it? None, it’s just funny, and the truth is you don’t need to be a philosopher to figure out why
Comment from : Ben Shapiro’s Greasy Cock

wait, with all due respect, how did you coin the term post-irony?? I've been sparsely encountering and using that terminology for what must be a bare minimum of 5 years I feel like it was floating around in little corners circa like 2015 or 2016 Watching your video on it recently was definitely a "cool to see someone kind of crystallize what had been a nebulous, back of my mind idea" kind of thing", but it definitely wasn't a 1st exposure and wouldn't have been a few years ago either I assumed as a premise that you were trying to bring more understanding to a somewhat fringe concept born on the internet That said, meta-irony was not on my radar as a term
Comment from : justtiredthings

oh you damn genius, sincere rat, oriental oreo, gastrointeritis feel, fatherfacker, feel
Comment from : Galanto de Alvar

Euphemism and Disphemism can be confusing, but I'm a absolute dippoop anyways, but outside the toilet !
Comment from : Solid x Angry Joer

bro -- there's more layers have you seen triangle of sadness? make an assessment! cheers!
Comment from : GPK0

Wait, why is the Irony wheel spinning? Who kicked into motion and why?brWtf is going on, mom come pick me up I'm scared
Comment from : Lilith, mother of Monsters

if my college offered a class on this i would take it in a heartbeat
Comment from : LUMP PUMP

damn idubz really didn;t give credit to you?
Comment from : Zara

Ure building a big wall
Comment from : RawbR WoaRRy

i’m so confused
Comment from : Mickey Simms

sam saying the kid with the I❤️한국(Korea) shirt is inheriting the earth might add another layer of irony considering that korea has the lowest birthrate IN THE WORLD
Comment from : Audrey McKnight

Idubbz really should have picked up on the ridiculousness of the situation that first day in the office I didn't know Sam and I could tell the whole thing was a spoof
Comment from : Bon Sheedy

using Iriony as a comping mechanism, too many of us are doing it
Comment from : JimJAMJones

I'VE HEARD THESE TERM WAY BEFORE, WHAT U DID WAS JUST PUT COMMON PREFIX ON A WORD IDK WHY U SAID U COINED IT MY OPINION IS VERY IMPORTANT ON THE INTERNET!!!
Comment from : tankie cell

Maybe we could call the collapsing of meta irony into post irony Schroedinger's irony Is the cat a racist or are just saying racist things? Until we open the box who knows?
Comment from : Sebastian Schwerdt

very cool
Comment from : thisishere

the amount of different ironics makes me want to ignite napalm with my clenched urethra
Comment from : VanillaToast

Thanks, now I hate irony
Comment from : OffOnTangent

JewReg not worried at all about Sam using tribeman tricks
Comment from : DoogieDoo

eu te odeio com todas minhas forças
Comment from : Homi Aranha

I’m making Ottawall propaganda expect shitty alt art soon
Comment from : Everett

My conclusions from idubbbs summary when i watched it was that when you say something it has two variables: Are you saying what you mean? Are you providing a que for your Irony? Any combination of these leads either sincerety or some form of irony
Comment from : Aiden909 Beauchaine

You know when a computer program starts spewing out gibberish before it shuts down and resets? Yeah I believe we are currently in one of "those" phases as a society brbrSpeaking of societies, I wonder how the evolution of irony has played out to places where internet connection and the content you can upload to it restricted Maybe this is an internet exclusive thing and humans long after we are gone will take a look at the databases filled with absolute gibberish and will discard it as another case of mass hysterica At this point most of those "jokes" have developed their own ever evolving timelines and they are almost like their own separate language at this point, one where you have to be a native speaker at, if you want to understand it And you know what usually happen to languages, they die off One day, the last person to speak one of those languages will die and the language itself will die with them That particular meme of Walter white shouting at Jesse will eventually die off, it might still exist, but without a clear punchline and a concise narration, nobody will actually have any idea why this, at some point in history, made someone laugh It will be completely impossible to decipher brbrWe are creating our own languages based on irony and it's so fuckin exciting, and I wish at one point we open meme schools where we will be able to write this language down and explain everything along with examples so they won't be lost in time Although I can understand the impossibility of this task
Comment from : c dollar

Your kid got run over by a car of their way to school
Comment from : c dollar

Please write five books
Comment from : Hunter Negron

Fun fact Sam Hyde's bootleg girlfriend Dani in the documentary is my actual ex girlfriend her name is Elizabeth Haven't spoken to her for years only for her to appear in an idubbbz video This is the first time I have told anyone about this
Comment from : Ržznakh Von Vôraath

Wagging the dog whistle?
Comment from : Chris Kane

The height of irony is that this is coming from a generation that doesn’t understand satire
Comment from : A man

Just don't have autism, it's not that complex
Comment from : Niko

Gonna be honest I like your videos, I like your irony video, and I like Idubbz irony videobrbrBut this does come across as incredibly butthurt Especially after you started with the point that the terms have gone beyond you as the coiner Your also annoyed at things that he did, that you did
Comment from : CottonyAlmonds

I feel Idubbbz frustration, it's impossible to reason with people drowning in meta-irony No matter how absurd or crazy their ideas are, you can't reason them out of their mindset, and that's exactly the point of their use of irony, to make their bubble unburstable
Comment from : João Passos

I agree with Idubz on meta irony It’s a method of hiding intent, and doing that happens to be funny to people who agree with that they know the person is probably thinkingbrbrI think people mostly know what Sam Hyde thinks about things, and the fact that he uses meta irony to perfectly conceal it to the average person is funny to watch
Comment from : Paul Renzi

Principia Libertatis (The Principles of Liberty)

iDubbbz went into the documentary with his own narrative and when Sam Hyde ruined his pre-made opinion with trolling and passive aggressive memeing iDubbbz was just going to forget about the doc and hope Sam did too When Sam put out his own doc Ian was forced to respond and he did so by basically admitting he doesnt understand Sam and he never had any intention of trying to understand Hyde he is just upset he got trolled
Comment from : Principia Libertatis (The Principles of Liberty)

no we dont
Comment from : new account 77B views 69 seconds ago

Idubbz is basically the kid that paraphrases an essay submission without understanding the nuances of the idea
Comment from : 11M Views

I would agree with iDubbbz to an extent after that point you’re basically starting from square one again but with one layer of overall irony compounded on it
Comment from : Chance Prine

Post-irony and meta-irony arent really coinable because post- and meta- are already established prefixes with meanings which you are attaching to a root word with its own root meaning, which is the essential function of language So as a phrase you could popularise its use, but post-irony and meta-irony already had meaning before anyone ever used them Post- means to follow something, and so a post- movement is a movement that goes beyond itself, it develops beyond its own ideas So post-irony would basically have your definition in that it goes beyond its first meaning, and given the nature of irony, its re-application to itself would revert it back to sincerity Meta- means in reference to itself So meta-irony would be to make an ironic comment on the current use of irony This doesnt neccessarily imply anything about sincerity inherently
Comment from : turnsout689

Craig when will you make us a video representing ignorantism All of these idea concepts knowledge and things that make sense are making you seem kinda like you're an autist
Comment from : Noah Lenten

david foster Wallace summed up irony perfectly in his book infinite jest
Comment from : RetroBlue

“Andy Kaufman was a boomer”
Comment from : Gary Host

The lengths of people go thru to not believe in God
Comment from : lighturpl3

i thought it was a Joke when iDubbz was so firm on the Cirlce thing, its ironics cause he said he perfers the Circle model, that he made it up himself
Comment from : Nissl

this is what land meant
Comment from : ryrie is online

Sam Hyde only respects those who can play his game idubbz only pretended to play that game, and Sam wanted to test it, idubbz has only ever been a cope
Comment from : What is Real