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I'm a bit late, but I want to have some words herebrx86 has almost a decade of stagnation, the first half from AMD and the second from Intel Let's look back a little bitbrCore-per-core, how much faster is the i9-13900K over the i7-5960X? About 24 timesbrHow much faster is the FX-9590 vs Ryzen 9 7950X? About 32 timesbrHow about the Apple A7 vs A16? Almost 7 timesbrAnd the custom Krait core in the Snapdragon 800 vs the Cortex-X3? Hohoho 10 timesbrThat stagnation is putting x86 in an even more intense competition The fun has just begun Comment from : Underrated

Apple has literally been trying to do this their entire history Comment from : James Carter

Risc V SBC Linux desktop is the future Comment from : Gushock

we love you EMILY! brbrbring EMILY back now! Comment from : Ray Ray

We'll just burn community RISC-V cores to FPGAs Comment from : Little Meg

The amount of power that Nvidia is requiring Is insane! 600w Look guys I know you like 4k but think of the earth! For one damn second:( I you know we take a lot of power but Jesus I feel like 600w on a graphic card alone is a crime Comment from : unkown 34X

Look I respect the love for tower PC's Tho I prefer laptops, and even handheld PC's I noticed that in a big tower They said you can upgrade it without changing everything Well not anymore If Nvidia releases a 50 series with even! More power to hog, you gonna need a new motherboard, PSU and probably storage and ram X86 It's needed! Until the end of times I hate apple, but the Towers are in danger, coz I can't justify buying it if your plan is the save space, and not upgrade for a long time Coz that's not the case anymore Comment from : unkown 34X

Trans Colour Outfit! Comment from : Elli Q

That was fascinating and very well said Awesome video dude! Gave me a lot to consider in my mac hating life lol I suppose if PC went that route, it could all about the wacky custom cases instead? :D Comment from : Justin Robertson

I think a middle ground can be found between fully integrated and modular systems Possibly one where CPUs are still socketed and ram slots still exist, but the CPU die is much larger and contains its own integrated memory and GPU, with the slots acting as a second level of memory similar to how page files work so that there is some level of upgradability, while keeping the main benefits of an SOC Having high speed PCIE slots available may also mean the return of tech like crossfire/sli, as with a powerful enough SOC I can imagine it being possible to more effectively manage slave devices, as long as there is software support Honestly just using ARM on a socketed chip would likely net a huge performance bump as long as applications can be properly ported and optimized ARM is incredibly powerful, it's just been overshadowed by AMD x86-64 because despite it's efficiency, there was still headroom in the older architecture we are currently using, so why go through the extreme pain if switching everything over to a very different architecture if you don't need to? Comment from : Dustin Satterfield

I believe this is one of the last videos that had the intro in it I miss it :( Comment from : Deses

Yes the PC is dying it is only selling 15 times what apple Mac division is selling duh Comment from : Fouga François

One more dude that knows nothing about the modern CPU architectures and still go for a Risc vs CISC argument Got a news for you dude, a modern x86 CPU is a Risc Comment from : Fouga François

First off, the presenter/speaker - one of LTT's best I'll even allow him to jibber-jabber about jibber-jabber and watch the entire video Yeah that goodbrbrThe future of PCs is not going to cloud/servers Think for a minute how long the client-server model has been around for (since the 70's) If something can be put into the cloud, it would already be there There's just not enough intercontinental bandwidth for this to service the ever-expanding customer base Just take video streaming services for example Why would these entities even bother with technologies/topologies such as a CDN (Content Delivery Network) where they cache the frequently accessed server data to servers local to the customer base that they are serving? Sure, the value of money is going down and the price of goods are going up but this doesn't apply to digital services due to the extreme competition in the space Price over time needs to come down even - all the while the demand just increases People may store their files online (photos and vids for example) but there's still that need to download them and get a local back up where it applies (for redundancy/peace of mind, security and accessibility in general) Centralizing compute power and storage brings in more problems than it solves In the era where privacy and data ownership gets increasingly important, that's the whole cloud gaming stopped on its tracks People that's pushing this in the corporate world (looking at Windows 365) need to wake up or get fired Gaming DLCs needs to be decentralized - badly and stat This will give a chance to have the true ownership back to the masses Comment from : Inquisitor Muchly

Like i'll take my PC advice from a dude who thinks he's a woman It will never happen for gaming rigs Comment from : The Monster Under Your Bed

What teething problems for apple silicon? From day one the first M1 ran everything, completely seamless and often faster than on the previous Intel based machine It just can't run the older PowerPC 32 bit stuff Comment from : Hamachingo

it’s gonna be sad that i wont be able to build a computer with my grandkids or even my own kids depending on how fast this becomes mainstream Comment from : computerpwn

this is scary and should be talked about more… trading off unmatched efficiency for freedom to choose how can you service something you cant take apart? Comment from : computerpwn

This won't happen The reason is simple: PricebrbrApple archieves those performance per watt numbers by just using pure die space to compensate and die space is getting more and more expensive Apple can do that because, and lets be honest here, they are only really competing with themselvesbrbrThe reason other manufacturers go for higher clock speeds instead of increased IPCs is because die space is expensive and they need to compete with other manufacturers They can choose: Higher IPC, which costs them more and thus makes their products either less profitable or less competitive for a given price, or higher clocks, which "only" increases power drawbrbrAn APU that can actually rival modern x86+dGPU-Systems, at least right now, needs to be a lot bigger when it comes to die size and that's not going to change any time soonbrJust look at the M2 Ultra It gets handily beaten by a NVidia RTX 4090 and a AMD Ryzen 9 7950X system The M2 Ultra has 134 billion transistors, with the 4090 and the 7950X combined only running at about 93 billion The CPU part is anywhere between 3 and 25 faster, with the GPU being 150 faster in OpenCL Compute (in gaming the difference is probably even larger)brbrOr in short: While I can see x86-64 loosing out to ARM and RISC-V in the long term, I cannot see the dGPU leaving with itbrNo manufacturer would just "eat" the additional cost for a more efficient system when the performance is lagging behind I mean, Intel is still selling CPUs and those draw a lot more power than comparable AMD offerings Nobody bats an eye If they instead would draw, say, 40 less power than AMD but lagged behind by 20 in performance, almost nobody would buy Intel Comment from : Right1994

GUI and bandwidth remote access is the future All Hardware will become legacy, its Inherent But there will always be metaphorically, a classic gas burning hot rod in someone’s garage Comment from : ngenes1

Even if the big players try to destroy pc building, someone will come along, make a company that allows for it, and make a ton of money doing it As long as there's money to be made, there will be someone doing it Comment from : Jeff

but its a mac will not own one if I have any thing to say about it Comment from : Imrie Staffson

no thanks lol i might convert on my deathbed 50 years from now Comment from : Vio

So in short, the "build a PC" is still tops but the Mac is starting to get close in capability Comment from : JustaPost

If there's a market they wont stop making it Comment from : Donkeyball GT

i have to say it, we do not care about how many watts are used Comment from : CRAZY6256

Imagine if the whole set up was built to order depending on what the consumer prioritizes, I've been building comps for almost 20 years, but that would be a game changer ! Comment from : mtrichie111

I dont want the future Comment from : Aaron Mcroodle

Intel recently proposed dropping all the old stuff from the architecture in what they call X86-S which is probably motivated by the need to reclaim the die space, lower power consumption and render any competitor that uses their expired/soon-to-expire patents immediately obsolete Comment from : Reiuji Utsuho

amazing technology, but companies have to act like companies Comment from : Longing

Don't worry guys, we'll have arm desktop boards, the gpu will just be baked in Comment from : chrnb

Just say no to Apple Comment from : Mia Placidus

But this is what corporations want you to believe Im staying a parts PC redneck, ty Unless it's made modular (OMG) Comment from : Gabberag

I don't understand a damned thing Comment from : Adjustable Island

You need to start reading for audio books! I could listen to your voice all day! Thanks for all the informative videos Anthony!! Comment from : Desiree Harper

Yeah you forgot to make a section about the pricebrPCs as we know them will never die as long as they are so much cheaper than the stuff Apple producesbrbrDollar for dollar, PCs still beat Apple in all aspects, and that is all that matters to most peoplebrI ain't paying $4000 for a brick that I will have to discard completely once the thermal paste cracks or an accidental hit makes a component failbrbrMaybe for the super top high end users or for people who do not have to pay their own hardware, like professionals in a company, it is worth itbrBut I can ensure you that I would rather go back to playing in 144p than paying $4000 for a brick Comment from : Dr Plasma

the vast majority of average pc users dont have the knowledge, interest or time to custom build their pc Especially in emerging economies There is great incentive to get as many users online as possible and for those populations ARM seems like a great solution But it also does open up more opportunities for user exploitation Also compared to phones, pc's have a wider range of use cases so i asume there will always be a need for at least some customization Comment from : Zerato

We are way past the point of diminishing returns for enthusiast builds There is no reason to have a high refresh 4k game with Ray tracing when the games are optimized for way more hardware Comment from : Chris

ARM is the future I want it and I'm ready :) Comment from : ICG

I believe for many your desktop pc will be your smartphone Comment from : M

I rathet (and i did) use potato pc my whole life than buy console which is actually affordable for me Dark ages are coming Comment from : DR DRES

Damnit apple your going to make everything boring and small Comment from : Norman Iglesias

I have to disagree with this video simply for the fact that a huge amount of profit will indeed be lost and a lot of people will start making their own variants and selling them to people A lot of people don't want something that is toss away and buy another one, hence they will just stop buying computers and use what they have already You can believe whatever you want but it could very well crash the market of computers This move would also be a way of controlling how much power people can have Comment from : Eric Halverson

I doubt it, they make far too much money from enthusiasts Their profit will cut in half when ppl cant buy the lastest whateverbrbrThey've tried arm and risc before, it didnt go well Comment from : S G

everything is getting cheaper and worse Win XP vs WIn 11, TV Shows in 1960's and 70's 30-40+ episodes per season, 90's-2000's'ish - 20-24 episodes per season, old days computers were fun, these days - the is almost hostile to it's user ( Microsoft) Comment from : PCS Entertainment

Its never daying as long there exist pc gamers i think it will grow not yet but in future with quantum cpu's etc Comment from : Nivea87

Looks like a fairly bleak future Surely they will never be as good as a separate CPU and GPU Also there is the fact that you can upgrade your good old custom pc when a faster CPU or GPU comes along without buying a whole new device If this is going to be the way forward developers are going to have to start scaling their games back instead of constantly pushing the envelope Personally I'd rather have full control over my hardware as opposed to a locked down device tied to some manufacturer who has control over what updates I can or cannot download and thus the lifespan of my 'most likely expensive' machine Yes, I have an M1 Mac mini as well as my trusty self built gaming rig so I know somewhat what I'm talking about Comment from : Ian Kelly

for me, it's a downside that I have to buy a new MB if I want to upgrade my CPU, make these to last at least 3-4 generations Comment from : Alex Spa

sounds good, doesn't work Comment from : Alex Spa

You can just see MS deciding that the CD or DVD ripping software is not something they can allow on your machine If that happens, I wonder if we'll see Linux on the desktop finally take off? Comment from : TeeKay

But arm also is old as fuck Comment from : Devu

Definite thumbs up for The Whale shirt!!! Comment from : PT Richards

1247brcAPitaliSM BrEEdS InnoVaTiON Comment from : mrWerder

Apple isn't going to take over the world, by ignoring developing Economist they will😊 most likely lose relevance in the lear future Comment from : Daniel Pereira

I built a $3k powerhouse in 2013 and I replaced it with another $3k powerhouse in 2023 In 2033 it will get retired for some desktop monitor that has streaming support Comment from : Kickstart Krew

What about RISC-V? Comment from : Andre Carneiro

This is rather concerning, since China STOLE ARM Comment from : Nathan Fuessel

environmentally we should do it today Comment from : Informed Choice

English please Comment from : Ty Young

Here's the thing My £200 recycled xeon sff workstation (music) for me is doing everything I need it to With the benefit that if the hard drive lunches itself, I can just slip the clone in and continue Ditto Ram, Ditto Absolutely anything on the board Couldn't buy a Mac mini if I wanted to because I still have windows only programs that need to run And If I can't change the HDD & add Ram if I want I'm not interested Comment from : Sosha 666

Im missing the part where this really gets in the way of builders - we have a chip, fan, gpu today; tomorrow well have some universal blade chip We dont customize those today, just drop $7-2000 If these start getting sold direct to consumer, they will have more variants that range cpu speed and gpu speed, just like the ram Ok, so if it dies youre replacing all of those SOC components at once So? The power savings along can amortize that cost And thats what I’d call out; all things being equal, bigger chips mean more work for the fab They use a LOAD of water to produce, energy, bla bla And without comparing properly, one may say ‘oh no, climate!’ But the reality is that 4070, ballistix ram and cpu, require more and dont benefit as greatly from scaling It may be easier to think of SOC as a second motherboard-like component We dont customize them - we just buy the chipset and features we want We still customize pic cards for video crap, storage preferences based on need Batteries can be smaller, machines can be lighter, and the machines shrink requiring less material for each case If this wasnt advantageous, it would go the way of itanium Comment from : Engineering Vranyo

Don't forget the RISC-V ecosystem Slowly evolving Comment from : Chris Ray

OK, what about M2 chip? Comment from : DoodiePunk

Silicon is reaching the end so only really integration left Only real problem is if you want a PC for a certain task your probably have buy something with lot of stuff you don't want need or use with very little future proofing, like what phones are Comment from : Bass Player

Screw apple I'm going all Linux w/ some Windows into the future They're simply too locked down to be bearable to me Comment from : addusernamehere

We are entering the world of aesthetics People want to customize and prettify things I think it will be a decade or two before what you are saying happens Comment from : Zelle

Video is straight cap lol Comment from : Jasonn

Of course companies are always going to try and shut down competition and control a market, doesn't mean we should let them If it wasn't for people not letting them in the first place, we would have never got the current PC space of being able to pick and choose between different parts from different companies in the first place Comment from : MassDefibrillator

But you've just described console gamingbrbrMaybe what's really changing forever isn't PCs, it's consoles Maybe they're going to become "also-PCs" Comment from : moeburn

Glad I will be enjoying large custom PC builds for another 10 years Comment from : Cj Olsen

I'll be happy to see how poorly this ages brbrAlso, everything with an apple logo on it is trash Comment from : Hynson

X doubt Comment from : HazeyBlazey

Without even watching the videoclip, based on the title alone that seems very unlikely Removing the ability to change individual components like the cpu, gpu is like motherboard of a laptop brbrWhy would you want that exclusively on a desktop computer aswell? Given that the market is moving towards integration it makes sense to some degree to move some of the market there But there is also an indication as you know to move to more upgradability This to make the product more green and sustainable which this wouldn't give if you at the same time want to keep the market running at the same pace brbrUnless there is a clearer advantage technically to "glew" everything together like Apple, and only a market incentive for short gain, it won't happen is my takebrbrOf course in the long run it is going to be integrated But it will take some time Comment from : MS

Damn dude the moment you mention GPU cores my mind exploded I learned something new about computer hardware 😂now I’ll leave this YouTube sesh with ya and go pass the time Learning about gpu cores Comment from : Inthemusic 007

This motherfucker is so good, he has the whole package of knowledge and articulation overall Comment from : Lallala Lallalalala

This dude is cool Comment from : Sean Fergus

Why wouldn't someone tell Anthony he had a booger hanging out in his nostril? Comment from : Chris Duncan

Not going to happen anytime soon Maybe if we figured out new manufacturing magic in the next 100 years As of right now, we have almost reached the limits and there is also the software side Comment from : Lone Rider

This makes sense, 4090 laptop GPUs are just about even with 3090 desktop cards at half the power draw Comment from : Steven Rise

Desktop pc sales are declining every year Pc ports are trash Not a good idea to be a pc gamer anymore Comment from : Demitri

Jargon laden click bait… Comment from : Alonzo

What does this mean for the framework laptop and modular computers in general? Comment from : Ricardo Romero

Am I the only "casual gaming and gadget guy, that do not have the effort for endless tweaking"? brAfter building pcs in my youth I love iOS Just buy new stuff that runs smoothlybrbrI still hope to be a casual gamer on an Apple Silicon Notebook in the near future 🤫 Comment from : chbrnds

apple sucks i have owned two thank god i don't now and never will own one agine Comment from : Adam Monks

You will own nothing and llike it-WEF Comment from : Bald Badger Games

Apple has never been the mainstream for Builders because they have never imbraced personalizing their computers! Comment from : Keith House

If computers change to the point that people can not personalize them, they will lose the market they have built! Comment from : Keith House

Well this didn't age well 😂 Comment from : A M

I used to be a PC Master Race person, now I just use an M1 Pro MacBook for my daily tasks and a PS5 for dedicated gaming Also, NVIDIA pricing has gotten ridiculous as game publishers continue doing bad ports to PC and prioritizing console releases Comment from : IGNSkeletons

It's been obvious to me for a while Custom PC building has peaked and we'll all switch to console gaming whether we like it or not There's been diminishing returns on PC hardware upgrades for at least 10 years It's become increasingly boring while performance plateaued, prices went up, heat went up, availability went down RGB-everything is the death throws of this hobby Comment from : Mal

In 2010/2011 everyone thought enthusiast pc market is gonna die Hasn’t died yet SoCs will grow but add in cards aren’t gonna disappear ARM might take over x86 but socketed components will stay Comment from : nitroninetyone

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