Disastrous Indifference: The Loss of SS El Faro

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Title	:	Disastrous Indifference: The Loss of SS El Faro
Lasting	:	1.13.02
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bad company management and bad authority overview/inspectionsbrbrRIP crewbrcondolences to their family and friends
Comment from : Wilfred Prins

Brilliant breakdown this was apredictable accident waiting to happensimply profit over human llife
Comment from : ricky dee

My brother was on the P-8 Poseidon I can't wait to ask him about this! I guess I never really asked him about his work because usually he couldn't speak about it, but I guarantee he can tell me about this one Yep I'm looking at his old badge right now That's really interesting
Comment from : Michael Atlas

In hindsight, wonder if a mutiny
Comment from : Roger Lewis

I recently rewatched this video At the stage he was at, what good would a QI do?
Comment from : KitsuneVoss

22:56 The reason for the conflicting email times is timezone differences TOTE is of course based in Jacksonvile and the time difference between Florida and San Salvador where the email was roughly sent is two hours 19;48 in Florida would be 17;48 in San Salvador for example; perfectly matching the weird timestamps The NTSB would take the timestamp from the company side because they're ultimately the responsible party as the ship's operator and the "good afternoon" on the email is to account for the time difference An experienced ship's commander would know about these little differences and use the proper nomenclature
Comment from : Lord Drayvon

There's a time for mutiny This was one of those times
Comment from : Eric Forster

A captain or not to be captain…br😢
Comment from : Digital Love Amsterdam

What an useless captain 🤨
Comment from : Lone Star Bandit

Just read a book called Into the raging Sea Very good read
Comment from : Michael Harp

I'm no mariner, but phoning a corporate office helpline in an emergency seems batshit to me Is there a good reason they're the first choice, or is it just bureaucratic overreach at work again? I fully admit I may just be biased against office workers
Comment from : Halinspark

Davidson sounds like he was in denial for as long as he dared
Comment from : Robert Folkner

This documentary is amazing Better than tv shows with institutional backing and million dollar budgets I’ve shown this to friends who’ve shown this to their friends and we all agree
Comment from : Bob

bro really said "yeah imma needlessly put the company's ship and the rest of the crew in a clearly dangerous situation to show the company how good i am at my job"
Comment from : Average Joe

Why do ships always make phone calls? I need a QI This is BSbrbrHe should have gotten on the radio and broadcast a pan pan since they needed help, but it wasn't critical The Coast Guard would have responded No being on hold They have a qualified person on call 24/7 Also, the captain could have literally gone to the National Weather service website for a up to date weather update Or called someone who had a phone or computer This was 2015 The net might not be 100 accurate, but for a hurricane, it's more than ample Also the Coast Guard would have given them a weather update if askedbrbrThe crew got hosed I really hope they found peace and their families have been able to heal
Comment from : J

It's odd how ships captains can be so arrogant and detached It's almost as if they don't even care about their own lives
Comment from : Ted thesailor

What does “blow the tubes” mean?
Comment from : Jordan Kesner

The Ship Master sounded very inconvenienced
Comment from : James

This Captain was the most inept slow to respond Officer iv ever heard ofShould be terminated for this
Comment from : Stephan

Cocky reckless captain neglected 31 lives and millions of dls in cargo and equipment just because he thought Alaskan icy waters are rougher than Caribbean waters he had everything under control he was very wrong should had diverted
Comment from : Theodore Rizzo

Damn Saltchuk/Tote is so jank
Comment from : SJB117

It's totally insane how things like this can still happen in the 21st century
Comment from : Xtariz

I really dont understand the Captain, he had called previous voyages off before but suddenly a hurrican doesnt give one pause?
Comment from : John Smith

Here in Newfoundland we call those ships coffins
Comment from : Leafs fan

As a truck driver I'd be interested to know more about what kind of trailers were on the ship and what their cargo was As you said early in the video one of the biggest cargoes to Puerto Rico is refrigerated or 'reefer' freight Reefer trailers handle a bit differently because their center of gravity is a bit higher with the large reefer unit up at the top front of the trailer This is offset a little bit by the reefer fuel tank down under the frame of the trailer, but thats 50 gallons of diesel sloshing around, and the rule with reefers is that if you're dropping them off at a customer, you drop them off with at least 3/4 of a tank in them All of the extra insulation in the walls of the trailer doesn't help the top heaviness eitherbrbrAnother problem with reefers is the kind of freight they haul Reefer freight its notoriously, on average, the heaviest shit you'll haul in a standard double axle 53' trailer With dry van you'll get loads like potato chips or insulation thats very light, and your whole gross weight is only like 25k But with reefer, its ALWAYS heavy shit like meat, produce, beer I don't think I've ever hauled a reefer load where my gross weight was under 75k, 80k being your max weight Meat and beer isn't too bad because its so dense that you can only single stack it on the floor, so it helps keep you pretty stable But produce? That stuff is juuuuust light enough that you can usually double stack it One of the sketchiest loads I've ever hauled was apples Apples are just light enough that you can stack them double wide, double high, and front to back Its one of the only loads I've ever hauled where you're grossed out and cubed out Cubed out meaning that all of the space in the trailer is being utilized I had to haul them from Osoyoos, BC to Calgary AB over highway 3, the most southern BC/AB mountain pass, which the most windy one With those apples stacked so high and being so heavy, that trailer wanted to roll over on every turn, and it doesn't help that almost all reefer trailers are air ride, therefore trading some stability for a smoother ridebrbrAnd this is all doubly compounded if some of the trailers were containers on chassis Container trailers are hands down the roughest things to haul The fact that the container is separate from the trailer frame means that their even more top heavy, especially with how beefed up container frames have to be compared to a regular trailer body Reefer containers compound this more, as the reefer unit and its fuel tank needs to be contained within the body of the container And with how long containers will have to sit on ships and trains, their fuel tanks are even bigger, I think something in the neighborhood of 150 gallons And the thing that would hurt container haulers the most in this situation is that they nearly universally have spring ride suspension as opposed to air ride With air ride you can dump all of the air out of the trailer and make them sit stiff to the ground With spring ride you can't do this, and the trailer is always riding on the suspension This means that in a ship list, a reefer container hauler would be straining insanely hard against any securementbrbrI don't really know anything about loading trailers on ships, so someone who is actually a ship yard shunter or a ship rigger might know more about this, the concerns I've listed might already be well known But with how poorly it sounds like El Faro was loaded, known safety concerns might have been ignored All I know is that all semi trailers aren't all created equal and can all be their own animals depending on how they're speced
Comment from : Hungry Moose

A great, detailed report, thanks
Comment from : ice9

I do research on accidents; God in Heaven, the thing that makes my blood boil is how many times I come across practices that are so f&cking unsafe But they keep getting used because nothing bad has ever happened byet/b I’m not ashamed to admit I still weep at the thought of all the souls lost because some prick thinks that this voyage/run/whatever won’t be the one where all their previous bad decisions come back to haunt them
Comment from : Michel Javert

Commenting before finishing the video, but I have a friend who had classmates on the ship when it went down Her hometown has a beautiful memorial to the lives lost that was unveiled September 24, 2022, the El Faro Salute in Rockland, Maine I heard the whole story of the ship through her before watching this (I'm watching it without her since it's still hard for her to hear about) An utterly avoidable tragedy, and the loss of life was horrific
Comment from : Cinnamon Toast Hunny Bunny

You don’t gamble with peoples lives!!!
Comment from : Bri-man Hunter

This was just grim to listen to It just kept getting worse May they Rest In Peace
Comment from : OS Lvia

The discrepancy in email timestamps probably due to sender/recipient in different time zones
Comment from : Alec Forrester

Why would they call the corporate? Why not call a coast guard right away?
Comment from : Harry S Human

The Captain was such an arrogant, pig-headed bastardbrThis was a hard watch
Comment from : Andrew Robertson

Mad at the captain for his incompetence mad at the radio operator, for asking a million questions I know why they did but still, captain just say we were stuck in the storm taking on water and sinking
Comment from : Devils Rose

May they rest in peace
Comment from : Lone Wanderer

The email time differences are almost certainly due to time zones In the transportation industry that I work in the time zone for the company's home base is used for communication and even DOT rules no matter where you actually are The receiver was likely in another time zone
Comment from : The Mourning

It’s very rare I get angry over videos like these but that captain sounded like a complete douche with his macho ‘this is nothing compared to Alaska’ BS That guy had it coming for him( unfortunately his ignorance took a lot of innocent people down with him, people who actually sounded like they knew what they were about to experience it they did not change course
Comment from : Machenka

Money for their pockets, death for their workers 😥😥
Comment from : Dimitris C

we have to fight for better jobsbrcompanies care about the money not about workers
Comment from : Dimitris C

Nature r beautiful n also dangerous scary
Comment from : very

I dont know if in English they too know the proverb "The fish always begins to stink at its head" While surely not a beautiful metaphor, it pinpoints how most problems come into this world by bad leadership
Comment from : C B

I can't believe this captain, he was afraid not to get the promotion? Any captain receiving all of these warnings that doesn't turn straight towards land should be fired! That should be the concern!
Comment from : RfdMusicOfficial Lestapier

This is where you take your loses and disobey the captain even if it means you lock him up All of these evidences against him would warrant him being discharged after investigation It might be harder to get a job after that in ships with captains knowing you are willling to run a crudité if you feel their judgment is questionable, but at least you would still be alive
Comment from : KatieDid!985

Rest in peace brbrIf this place of when nature it's high tendency or any situations don't go in be patience and company be should attention on pilot is mentally or physically good company should not awarded for reached item timely it take that it safely work
Comment from : kulwinder singh

I was watching in real time the interviews with families who were worried about them after they left Jax port I like so many others did not understand why the ship would sail directly into a hurricane Now listening to the entire back and forth between the captain, crew and officials, the captain's eggo lead them to their deaths
Comment from : Susan Jackson

This was so frustrating to listen to
Comment from : Denver Wynn

Anybody that could testify to how it feels to be in one of those storms? I’m curious on how terrifying it could be
Comment from : Early Worm Gets The Bird

Wow man, just wow
Comment from : Emin Muradov

Every single minute of this video got more and more infuriating Just truly pathetic, arrogant behavior from a pathetic excuse for a captain Unfortunately many lives were lost
Comment from : Andrew Brandenburg

How do they keep hundreds of tightly stacked reefer trailers going for weeks while aboard?
Comment from : Ed Whitson

One of the DUMBEST Modern day Capts I have ever heard of too bad the Crew didn't take actions when they had the chance
Comment from : Dwayne Fisher

Reminds me of the Andrea Gail that was lost during the 1991 Perfect Storm
Comment from : CWSimpson Productions

Literally watching this again rn, js
Comment from : Electronics Workshawp

At around49 Minutes in the Video, The Capain says : "We lost the plant" I tried Googling what that means but found nothing What does that mean?
Comment from : Ozzy Bloke - Craig

Lessons br1 One man deciding is a bad ideabr2 Being safe is better than being deadbr3 Repair your vehicle before long trips
Comment from : I shit myself卐

Excellent documentary So many details of what is going on behind the scenes that really puts you right there in the middle of the setting
Comment from : Michael Lewis

This was insane, things just kept getting worse and worse I sad "oh my god" every two minutes RIP to these poor people
Comment from : neemah jones

congrats really good work
Comment from : roger grau

These are really enjoyable and present a dense haul of information but not at all dry
Comment from : Red Target

Every one is blaming the captain and the company Nobody is wondering why a ship build in the ‘70 was still in service in 2015 (40 years old) when anything beyond 25 years on the ocean is considered way too old) and modern container ships as young as 7 years old are scrapped brJones Act! To build a new modern ship in USA it cost 5-6 times what the rest of the world is paying
Comment from : Νίκος Μπέτσης

This captain was an idiot No wonder why they didn’t want to keep him
Comment from : Sargent Thiccboi

The photos from the sister ship look like a boat that’s already under water Geez
Comment from : Tramond Spencer

I feel for her crew, she was a disaster waiting to happen😞
Comment from : Jeff Carver

Thank you for making this video El Faro always fascinated me These types of features are important for the lay public to be exposed to… as safe as seafaring may be these day, it’s still dangerous And we don’t think how many of the goods and services we need to survive travel by sea through the service of brave men Lest they not be forgottenbrbr“O hear us when we cry to TheebrFor those in Peril on the sea” Amen
Comment from : Joey

That captain was straight-up delusional and steered that ship with 32 innocents straight into death Awful, awful situation I hope that the crew went quickly, at least, and now rest easily
Comment from : Timetravelingshark

Wow! The Northern Lights!brbrI was the tactical supervisor in charge of protecting this vessel from Greece to the Persian Gulf and 2005 brbrWe were never given any type of tour notification or anything regarding to lifeboats, etc brbrI remember buying a lawnchair and bringing it with me and suntanning on superstructure starboard side, top deck brbrThe military equipment lashed to the decks look no different with the chains than it did in the video from five years later
Comment from : james simpson

Goes to show u money has the controll over alot of things especially ur reasoning common sense and safety look what happened in Miami when the champlain towers collapsed and the owner damn well knows how bad that building was now there dead the love of money is the root of all evil he should of least warned them reminds me of the movie poltergeist 2 he sold the land he was building on but left the bodies if I could come the grave to kick him in his coolo I would
Comment from : Donald Duncan

That ship should have been decommissioned back in the early year 2000
Comment from : Donald Duncan

As they say in safety training, complacency kills Thinking something won't happen is a dangerous mindset to have when lives are at stake Question everything, get multiple opinions, and always follow safety regulations If a government agency, especially one as trusted as the NWS, says you're in danger, you're an idiot if you don't listen to them Shame on the company and captain both
Comment from : Socky Noob

Very impressed with the detailed research Very
Comment from : Denny Smith

I left youtube on autoplay this morning i walked in from a 12 hour hard labor work day as I walked up the steps I heard "it's just been upgraded to a cat 3" and in the different voice " OH MY GOD " brbrand I instantly knew what video it was and wtf they were talking about and who said Oh My God to that in a split second my mind went from the misery of work to the horrors of a retarded captain with a small penis and that young woman that lost her life brbrthese are amazing videos and stories for deep lessons to be had by all you kick that captain in the balls next time literally she knew she knew
Comment from : Mitch Wood

Unsecured/improperly secured cargo is an absolute danger in aviation and maritime cargo work brbrTheres been several accounts of aviation disasters where cargo broke free during takeoff, causing the aircraft to lose their CG and plumet from the sky Key example being the 747 that crashed at Baghram Airforce Base in 2013brbrAlso, its worth noting the absolute bravery of the Coast Guard Theyre the only group of people who willing fly into a hurricane to rescue people, theres no better breed of pilot in my mind
Comment from : SadTurtleSoup

Well now we know never name your shipping line with a "star line" since that phrase is pretty cursed
Comment from : graythegreat

On top of the crew, the captain was risking a very important lifeline to Puerto Rico I still remember the food shortages for the following week until another ship come from Jacksonville with more food
Comment from : Alejandro

These problems are not surprisingly identical to cockpit CRM
Comment from : The Zero Line

Cannot comprehend how a maritime company doesn’t supply it’s ships with lifeboats designed for situations like these…
Comment from : Eduardo Tirado

Oil reservoir and the pump should have been on both side of the ship along with a common oil feed piping So is vessel leans on one side, the other pump can lubricate the needed areas
Comment from : Musti Akyol

Love the Content this gentleman makes brAnyone know Where can i listen to the soundtrack that starts playing at the 19:20 mark?brEdit: If so, send a link 🙂
Comment from : Dea Rox

Every time I see ship sinking modern or old I realize how human error and greed can cause problems for people
Comment from : AoDaRoh

The fact that someone could have survived in that kind of weather and seen the rescue vehicles on the horizon but still died as their potential rescuers didn't see them is just so haunting to me
Comment from : Urban Nerd

perhaps i'm overlooking something glaringly obvious but is anyone able to explain to me how the body could decompose to the extent of being completely unrecognisable in so short an amount of time? maybe i'm misinterpreting the timeline but the implication seems to be that it completely decomposed in under a week maybe the suit they were in expedited it or somethin
Comment from : Big School: Bad Siege and Warzone team

Thanks!
Comment from : Jordan Kesner

This captain killed them all By refusing to take even the most basic steps to avoid the storm Yes, he was captaining a rusty bucket, but had he diverted when prudent none of the factors that sank the ship would have occurred Even when the point of no return was reached he didn't realize it and was trying to make PHONE CALLS as his ship sank under his ass He failed that crew 100
Comment from : Duane Cates

The titanic captan was a fool & so was this captain & stockton was a fool also Its always a fool that kills everyone every time
Comment from : Daniel Young

So you are on a ship in the middle of the ocean and the captain wants to ride a hurricane, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A SAY? That that's UH????????
Comment from : Pau Chiari

sounds like a toxic work environment
Comment from : MaxLib

Mutiny and stripping of power shoulld be allowed and encouraged when lives are at stake like this If it is abundantly evident that they will die and were given ample warning and the leader still chooses to endanger them they should be able to relieve the captain of their privilege to lead
Comment from : ODST626

Knowing how little time the crew had by the time the captain made the call makes that call so much worse
Comment from : Frankenbeans

Man I love your videos I have literally zero interest in ships, but your videos are so captivating and so well done, I can’t help but watch You also do an amazing job making complex information digestible for laypersons brbrRIP to those lost, wishing their loved ones the best
Comment from : Trish

They were right next to the eye lmao how does that happen 😵‍💫
Comment from : Leon’s maker

A tragic story, Well told in this moving video brThank you for your work 🙏🏽
Comment from : Peter S

Great job Very interesting and informative Sorry for the loss of the people Love your channel ❤❤❤❤❤❤😮😊
Comment from : Angela Detrizio

I found your channel through YouTube recommendation and I have spent the weekend watching all the ship sinking videos and just finished the oil rig video brbrSuperb videos with fascinating insights into life and the sheer dangers that working at sea present brbrIt seems that the theme throughout a lot of these disasters is human error and possibly complacency?brbrSuperb content and subscribed for sure
Comment from : James Mcintyre

Not to victim blame, but honestly I cannot imagine being so intimidated by a superior that you don't tell them they're full of shit when you know there's a good chance they are literally leading you to your death I mean what's the worst that could happen? You lose your job? You get into a physical fight with them? Ok, much much better than letting yourself be driven into some of the worst conditions mother nature has to offer
Comment from : Luke Grim

Imagine how different the captain's actions, decisions, and motivations would have been had he known he was no longer in consideration for the captaincy position he wanted Had he known that, he almost certainly would have been far more cautious
Comment from : PsychoMike21000